with jerry sandusky, yes, i did. dinners, relationships, none of that matters. did you shower with jerry sandusky? yes. were you naked? yes, i was. those questions are what matters. having dinners and saying we're still friends. matters not. and that's the problem here. the lawyer for jerry sandusky, who, by the way, we hear a lot from. notice you're not hearing a lot from the prosecution because they're busy, probably, allegedly, fielding new complaints from other alleged victims. the defense is out there talking to everyone that he can about, you know, how jerry sandusky is still friends with this victim and that victim. once again, we're seeing jerry sandusky trying to charm his way out of a situation. >> all right, so, and just to make it clear here, there would be no, no legal ramifications whatsoever, right? if someone who had been abused remained friendly with the abuser, right? we never know. maybe they still felt the pressure and still feel the guilt. all kind of displaying that. >> that's the thing. not about whether you're having dinner with jerry sandusky and whether you thin
